98-80 DESIGNATING FOUR-WAY STOP INTERSECTIONS

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Ballard added that at one time police officers suggested puttin� barricades at the intersection of Jasper and Leafland. Ryan remembered that was a neighborhood problem involving gangs. They have found that putting barriers in with a neighborhood group that does not want them causes more problems. If there is a strong neighborhood there, then it will work. Mr. Works stated the neighborhood will not want barricades. Ryan stated that if the neighborhood does not want it, then it will not work. Newell would agree to two-way stop signs at two intersections, but the concerns of the neighborhood will not be addressed by the four-way stops. It will not solve the problem. It will only temporarily appease the neighborhood and the problem will remain. Sober stated that four-way stops were installed at other intersections by the Commission in the recent past. Newell advised those were put in to address the prevailing tra.f�ic problems. Debbie Sober, 356 West Macon Street, asked what the purpose is of a four-way stop, and said that stop signs are avoided if a driver wants to go fast. She believes a four-way stop would reroute the traffic. She also asked about the traffic counts for the small number of homes on the street. She agrees the traffic needs to be diverted. Newell advised a four-way stop is used to regulate traf�ic beyond what a two-way stop would . A two-way stop is usually put in first, and if that does not work, a four-way stop is instailed. A four-way stop is put in as an alternative to a traffic signal, or at least where opposing volumes are fairly equal. His contention is that there is not a speed problem at these locations, there is a cut-through problem. The speed limit is 30 mph in this area and prevailing speeds are less than this. Mr. Wynne asked if the traffic counts could be taken again over a weekend. Newell advised that two of the eight counters were stolen at this location the first time. Gillen would definitely go with the two stop signs at both intersections. If a four-way stop is requested in the future, the situation can be reassessed. Ryan thinks this would address the accident problem, but would not do anything for the neighborhood. He is hearing that the 24-hour count does not accurately show what happens in that neighborhood. If that is the case, a couple more days should be checked. He asked if it shows a consistent count but the speeds are higher, would that have any impact on the staff recommendation?